zippy Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 For power the turbo is by far a bigger power maker. A 408 with a single 88 or 91 mm turbo will outrun any Magnacharged setup by far. The downside is that your options are pretty much only Trick or KB racing for that if you don't have access to building your own. Even from there you will have to build from the turbo down. What I've learned over the years from dealing with about every truck guy is that turbo's should only be on trucks that are owned by guys who can do everything themselves. Owning a turbo truck in the bigger power range is a constant work on it kind of thing and even worse it leaves room for turning the boost up. Turbo trucks are also alot of work to tune and once again most big power turbo trucks remain only half ass tuned. I worked on one with a T76 and a 408 tuned by Ed Wright himself and that truck was a tuned mess. With the 408 and T76 it ran an awesome low 13... That describes how bad it was and there was a spot in the tune where it would have had 32 degrees of timing from 2800rpm down to 1600 no matter the airflow/boost. I constantly run accross big dollar turbo trucks with low dollar tuning and it's a shame. I love the turbo idea in the hands of the right person. As for the Kenne Bell, the 2.6L and 2.8L blowers really don't put down any better numbers at all compared to the TVS2300. There few truck guys i know that have bought them have regretted it and the Kenne Bell 4xx cubic inch motors I've had on the dyno at work have made power in the same ball park as the TVS2300 with no available customer service. CHarris on PT.net bought the 2.6/2.8L (i forget which) and with the smallest available pulley he managed to get 9psi on his 402 with an 8 rib system. They do make smaller blower pullies now, but his IAT's were just out of this world. Another guy on there bought the same blower for his 408 which he had W2W install and he was seeing IAT's up to 240 degrees during a full wide open run. I'm not saying the TVS is the answer to everything, but it is hard to beat the proven reliability of a TVS with an 8 rib setup (after it's been laser aligned). A big advantage to a supercharged setup also is that you actually have to change the pulley to change the boost level out of what the truck is tuned for. With a turbo you can just twist a knob, have a wastegate stick, etc, and you need a new motor. I'm not waving the Magnacharger fan, but all I'm saying is that for a streetable drive it to work type of truck a 408 with a properly setup TVS2300 you have a hard to beat fast and reliable truck. For those wondering though, I highly recomend the phenolic spacer and the soon to be big deal 102mm throttle body conversion for the TVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krambo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 ...For those wondering though, I highly recomend the phenolic spacer and the soon to be big deal 102mm throttle body conversion for the TVS. I totally agree. These improvements will soon be the "must haves" for the TVS chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowfive0 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) That's great news Adam and quite an accomplishment! Props to you, Zippy and Supersub for a job well done! I'm really impressed with the performance considering the heat and the "street" trim that you ran it in. I'd be curious how much the 22's impact your times as well as the gains from the cooler fall weather.... Keep us posted----Nice job! Holy hell guys great discussion. Slowfive the passes that I made a few weeks ago were in full street trim except I was running 4 drag radials instead of my 22's. I still had my subs in, full interior, bed cover etc. I dont ever plan on taking any of it out anyways. I basically wanted a street strip short of package and I'm almost there IMO. All of this couldnt have been done with out Zippy or Ray, both are great guys to deal with and will not steer you wrong. Ill keep you posted with the new mods buddy I've just been busy with work. Have a good one guys Adam Great feedback and speaking for me, I really appreciate the time you and everyone else has taken to give it! I actually have a great fab guy that does turbo kits all of the time. I know he could do a sweet job on a kit for my truck yet there is something about a supercharged setup and the full exhaust that I just love! Adam's truck is basically identical to what I wanted out of a daily driver. Hell, even the color is the same - lol! Is belt slip much of an issue at these boost levels with these TVS blowers? Is Adam's truck using a cog belt on the blower drive (jackshaft to head unit) or no? Also, still a little confused about the Kenne Bell vs TVS blower debate. I have an article (mustang mag) that did some testing between the blowers and it seemed that the Kenne Bell blew the TVS away. Mostly because it was more efficient and bigger. It seemed where the Kenne Bell really shined was when spinning it up and when using race fuel. That would go hand in hand with your observations of high inlet temps (requiring the good fuel)........ So much information and depending on who is putting it out it seems to be often times biased one direction of the other. It's nice to get the scoop so to speak from someone like yourself that has actually had both units on a dyno. Thanks For power the turbo is by far a bigger power maker. A 408 with a single 88 or 91 mm turbo will outrun any Magnacharged setup by far. The downside is that your options are pretty much only Trick or KB racing for that if you don't have access to building your own. Even from there you will have to build from the turbo down. What I've learned over the years from dealing with about every truck guy is that turbo's should only be on trucks that are owned by guys who can do everything themselves. Owning a turbo truck in the bigger power range is a constant work on it kind of thing and even worse it leaves room for turning the boost up. Turbo trucks are also alot of work to tune and once again most big power turbo trucks remain only half ass tuned. I worked on one with a T76 and a 408 tuned by Ed Wright himself and that truck was a tuned mess. With the 408 and T76 it ran an awesome low 13... That describes how bad it was and there was a spot in the tune where it would have had 32 degrees of timing from 2800rpm down to 1600 no matter the airflow/boost. I constantly run accross big dollar turbo trucks with low dollar tuning and it's a shame. I love the turbo idea in the hands of the right person. As for the Kenne Bell, the 2.6L and 2.8L blowers really don't put down any better numbers at all compared to the TVS2300. There few truck guys i know that have bought them have regretted it and the Kenne Bell 4xx cubic inch motors I've had on the dyno at work have made power in the same ball park as the TVS2300 with no available customer service. CHarris on PT.net bought the 2.6/2.8L (i forget which) and with the smallest available pulley he managed to get 9psi on his 402 with an 8 rib system. They do make smaller blower pullies now, but his IAT's were just out of this world. Another guy on there bought the same blower for his 408 which he had W2W install and he was seeing IAT's up to 240 degrees during a full wide open run. I'm not saying the TVS is the answer to everything, but it is hard to beat the proven reliability of a TVS with an 8 rib setup (after it's been laser aligned). A big advantage to a supercharged setup also is that you actually have to change the pulley to change the boost level out of what the truck is tuned for. With a turbo you can just twist a knob, have a wastegate stick, etc, and you need a new motor. I'm not waving the Magnacharger fan, but all I'm saying is that for a streetable drive it to work type of truck a 408 with a properly setup TVS2300 you have a hard to beat fast and reliable truck. For those wondering though, I highly recomend the phenolic spacer and the soon to be big deal 102mm throttle body conversion for the TVS. Edited July 6, 2011 by slowfive0 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGRYGREG Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 What size injectors are you using? Is this setup with a jackshaft or not? Killer setup and congrats on the new PB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroked out Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 What size injectors are you using? Is this setup with a jackshaft or not? Killer setup and congrats on the new PB Im using 60lb/hr injectors and yes its the jackshaft desgin. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGRYGREG Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Im retarded. I should have just read your sig. Man, I would love to put that blower on my truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detjoe Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Thanks Ray for destroying so many power tools in bringing the 'spacer' to market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersub Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Thanks Ray for destroying so many power tools in bringing the 'spacer' to market LOL! Craftsman club member no doubt! And yes its professional grade! just struck a deal with a cnc program, full production is imminent. radix included! thanks for all the props guy's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersub Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Im retarded. I should have just read your sig. Man, I would love to put that blower on my truck. Blownchevy can hook you up! tell him i sent you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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