Zath Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 uh the z car had suspension upgrade and the 302 pushed around 400hp more than the big block and if im not mistaken it had the 4 speed muncie in it Correct you are.. they changed and made the SS better then the z28 for whatever reason but back in the day.. the z28 was the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT13 Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love how this rumor was posted not a full week after Chevy had the official unveiling of the Camaro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12'SROCK Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 uh the z car had suspension upgrade and the 302 pushed around 400hp more than the big block and if im not mistaken it had the 4 speed muncie in it yep 69' DZ302 with M22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammedbowtie Posted August 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) KJT13 i just heard it from a ford guy busting my balls. but he was serious. he goes to every major car show and told me this, so i had to see if anyone heard anything. and for whoever changed my title on the topic. . . thats funny as hell hahaha. i was like i didnt post this. o someone changed it. i apologized in another thread about the misspelling. (coolblue) SORRY! Edited August 9, 2008 by slammedbowtie (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006_superado Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) uh the z car had suspension upgrade and the 302 pushed around 400hp more than the big block and if im not mistaken it had the 4 speed muncie in it yes the Z/28 had suspension upgrades, i'm a little confused by your next statment (above in bold), are you saying it had 775hp 400 more then the ss396 with l78 375hp or that it had 400 hp total?... either way it's not exactly right, the 302 dz was underated and maybe pushed out 400hp at a high rpm but could'nt match the torque of the 396SS L78 and both of them came with the m22 4-spd. these old z/28's were'nt the best street cars because of the race inspired engine which was limited to 305 ci max displacement because of trans am rules. so i would'nt say the Z/28 was top dog but it was right at the top with a properly equipped SS, and what you gave up on the SS in track upgrades you could make up for with all the amenitys a SS came with i think they were equally great in there own way.. the only reason the Z/28 demands so much more then the SS is because of simple supply and demand the Z/28 is much rarer then the SS. Correct you are.. they changed and made the SS better then the z28 for whatever reason but back in the day.. the z28 was the dog. please read above.. and below you will both find that there performance was almost identical (with more of an edge going to the SS depending on period testing). i think the only reason that the Z/28 was a tick faster then the SS in one of the comparo's is because of weight transfer and lower torque obviously making it easy to launch then the SS but if you added slicks to both cars the SS would've at least matched if not beaten the Z/28 imo of course theres no way to go back in time and prove this but you would all have to agree it is well within reason. the first two articals are from howstuffworks.com... Announced in early 1967, some six months after the Camaro itself, the Z-28 was conceived by Chevrolet engineer and product-promotion specialist Vincent W. Piggins. The impetus, as Piggins later explained, was "to develop a performance image for the Camaro that would be superior to Mustang's. Along comes [sports Car Club of America] in creating the Trans-Am sedan racing class for professional drivers in 1966 ... I suggested a vehicle that would fit this class and, I believe ... it gave them the heart to push ahead.... " Initially, the Trans-Am involved Group II production cars with wheelbases of 116 inches or less and engines of no more than 305 cubic inches. Certification required at least 1,000 be built per model year. Chevy met this by entering the standard V-8 Camaro as a Group I sports car (over 305 cid) and the Z-28 option under Group II. Rule-bending aside, the Z-28 was a racer's delight: heavy-duty suspension, power front-disc brakes, metallic-lined rear-drum brakes, 15 x 6 Corvette wheels mounting 7.75 x 15 tires, special hood with functional air intakes, close- or wide-ratio four-speed gearbox, and a new 302 V-8. The last came from slotting the crankshaft from the older 283 engine into the then-current 327 block, yielding 302.4 cid -- just under the limit. Outputs were conservatively stated as 290 horsepower and as many pounds/feet of torque, but actual bhp was nearer 400, thanks to a huge four-barrel Holley carb, oversize intake manifold, big ports and valves, wild 346-degree-duration cam, and cast-iron headers. Chevrolet called the Z-28 "the closest thing to a 'Vette, yet," and not without reason. Car and Driver clocked one at a blazing 6.7 seconds 0-60 mph, versus 7.8 seconds for the typical four-speed SS350 and slightly under 11 seconds for an automatic 210-bhp 327. Handling was racer-sharp; braking as good as it could be with contemporary technology. Keep reading to learn about the styling and sales of the 1967-1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28. ________________________________________________________________________________ ___ Chevy worked to improve the behavior of the big-block Camaro's rear suspension. But the 396 had so much torque and put so many pounds over the nose -- 59.3 percent of an SS 396's weight was on the front axle -- that the lightly loaded rear axle struggled to get the power down in hole shots. "At the mere suggestion of work, the axle leaps and hops, judders and bucks..." said Road Test. "The rear suspension is (the) weak linkage between axle and car, and it drags the 396 Camaro down to the level of just another Camaro." Savvy street racers attacked the problem with aftermarket traction kits, which cut ETs significantly. And as time would prove, no '69 was "just another Camaro." The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 Specifications Wheelbase, inches: 108.1 Weight, lbs: 3,790 Number built: 13,970 Base price: $3,100 Top Available Engine Type: ohv V-8 Displacement, cid: 396 Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl. Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600 Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 4600 Representative Performance 0-60 mph, sec: 6.8 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.7 @ 98.7 ________________________________________________________________________________ ___ and if what musclecarclub.com says is right then the SS was even faster at times?... 1967 model info, Performance: (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 6.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.85 sec @ 101mph. (SS350) 350/295: 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 90 mph. (SS396) 396/325bhp: 0-60 in 6.0 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec @ 99mph. 1968 only list the SS so it's N/A. 1969 model info, Performance: (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph. (SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph. (COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph. (COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph. Edited August 9, 2008 by 2006_SUPERADO (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacamaro Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 The rumor is WRONG! My Father works at a Chevy Dealer and I have already put down a deposit on a new Camaro SS. The Camaro goes into production February 16, 2009 and is projected to be in the dealers by mid spring. I can't wait! LS3 422 HP 6 Speed Front and Rear 4 piston Brembo Brakes 20" Rims Lemans Blue with Hockey Stripes ALL OF THIS FOR UNDER $30K (predicted to run Low 13's out of the box) Let's see the Challenger beat that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006_superado Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 The rumor is WRONG! My Father works at a Chevy Dealer and I have already put down a deposit on a new Camaro SS. The Camaro goes into production February 16, 2009 and is projected to be in the dealers by mid spring. I can't wait! LS3 422 HP 6 Speed Front and Rear 4 piston Brembo Brakes 20" Rims Lemans Blue with Hockey Stripes ALL OF THIS FOR UNDER $30K (predicted to run Low 13's out of the box) Let's see the Challenger beat that! under $30K?.... can anyone walk in there and get that kinda deal if they put a deposit down or is it only not marked up because your dad works there?. also if you don't mind what is the minimum deposit you could put to secure one?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacamaro Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dependant upon the model (LT, RS, or SS) they begin in the low-mid $20's. I put down a $500 deposit on a fully loaded SS. Because my Dad is a GM employee and a Service Tech, he qualifies for a TSS Account (that means he pays 4% above the cost to build the vehicle becuase he is a certified ACDelco parts dealer) To answer your question though, YES, you will probably get a deal if you put down a deposit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndySilveradoSS Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I figure that in may of 2010 when I graduate from the electrical appreticeship, I'm going right to the dealer for a SS Convertible!! I can't wait for the new Camaro, I love the retro trend these days with the Mudstains, and challengers. But there's no way in hell I would pay 12-15k OVER sticker price for the new challengers. Hey slopar, why don't you realize, you could take a huge chunk of the mustang market if you offer the challenger in packages like the new camaro and the mudstains. Base v6, small v8, hi-po v8, all fairly priced. Oh well, off topic sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonickoolten Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 i want one >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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