blackhawk Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Wizard: I am sure the kit is worth the money, but it is like the truck thermostats BB upgrade to turn your stock stat into a 160 thermo for free. ;) Why spend $400 on something when you can do the same thing for less than $100 and a little elbow grease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Blackhawk I can respect that. I just want to pass on the info of the kit for those interested. Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawk Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Sure no problemo', how about taking some close up pics of all the associated parts used in the kit for those that want to save some money and do it themselves… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico750sxi Posted October 10, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Wizard, my truck looks right with the $40 shackles, just doesn't drive right!! I didn't want to get the GroundForce kit because at first they wouldn't tell me what I would have to do to the rear when I called them. Like I said before, I didn't like that. So I went with the shackles hoping everything would be okay. I have picked up a vibration and have tried shims to fix it. I have decided that is the most I'm doing. I actually said to the guy I'm working with(yes I'm at work, shhh!!) that I spent $40K on the truck, what's another $350 to have it ride and drive right. So I made a call to Summit and I will have my kit in 10 days if GroundForce has it in stock, if not it may take a while longer. Now I just don't know what to do until the kit comes. I'm taking the shims out becuase it just seemed to make things worse. I have my work car to drive(The Beast!!) but I want to drive my truck. Waiting sucks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKey Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 ...but it is like the truck thermostats BB upgrade to turn your stock stat into a 160 thermo for free. ;) Darric, did you do this yet? I did, worked just like advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawk Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 BenKey: No not yet, but I will as soon as I get a programmer that works and can truly calibrate the computer to use the 160dg… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKey Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 BenKey: No not yet, but I will as soon as I get a programmer that works and can truly calibrate the computer to use the 160dg… Sorry, but you lost me. Why is that necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvsteve Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 I spoke to Ground Force and they said 'The ONLY reason we use keys is because 90% of the stock trucks will not allow for the lower ride height without them. They do not change the tension of the bars, they just allow more room for adjustments." Belltech said the same thing. I am getting the kit... I have heard that there shocks are pretty good and I know I need new shocks. Can't beat the price of this kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimsoftball Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 BenKey: No not yet, but I will as soon as I get a programmer that works and can truly calibrate the computer to use the 160dg… Sorry, but you lost me. Why is that necessary? Ben, I know this is getting a little off track of the thread but is there some reason I should not use a 160 stat with my blower. I have had one sitting in my toolbox for 2 months ready to go in. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is not a good idea. I am probably wrong though. Now back on track. I am seriously considering the Ground Force kit also. I am going to call them today and see how long the wait is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimsoftball Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Just got of the phone with Summit. They say it will be the last week of this month at the earliest before they can get me a kit. To tell you the truth, I would have had one of these kits a long time ago, but I am not really fond of waiting that long. I can spend that money on a cam or something I can have in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimsoftball Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 4 Wheel parts says they can have the Ground Force kit tommorrow. They want $395 for it but for you guys who don't want to wait it may be an option. 1-877-474-4821 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKey Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Ben, I know this is getting a little off track of the thread but is there some reason I should not use a 160 stat with my blower. I have had one sitting in my toolbox for 2 months ready to go in. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is not a good idea. I am probably wrong though. Eric - don't know why it would be a bad idea. Your supercharger is creating more heat in your engine. So to me, what ever you do to help that out would be best. Although, I'm by no means an expert in that. Notice any diff at all for how hot your engine runs? Remember these gages are not all that accurate anyway. I'd put it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico750sxi Posted October 10, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Thanks Slimsoftball. It cost me $40 more but my kit is shipping today instead of sometime around the week of 10/25. 4 wheel parts had 5 more in stock when I bought mine. They also said they sold 5 already. Where are you guys???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdrumright Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 OK, here I go starting trouble. I don't understand what all the hoopla is about the GF lowering kit. The only thing the kit provides, that those of us who didn't use it, is shocks and keys. 1. Unless I'm wrong, the only thing the keys do is reindex the position where the adjusting bolt comes in contact with it. Both methods unload the torsion bars equally. Those of us without them have more bolt sticking out below the cross member than those that do. 2. We cut our bump stops, the kit came with them. I can't see any difference that would have. If you bottom out the suspension on the stops I think we both would have the same results. 3. Both methods replace the rear shackles. 4. Personally I haven't had any driveline vibrations since I've lowered mine. If I did i would have the drive shaft rebalanced before I would start shimming. a 2" drop should not affect the driveline angle enough to create a vibration. 5. The method I chose was easily done in an hour. Saving the expense of have a mechanic do it. 6. Both methods require a complete wheel alignment when done. I guess it's a matter of what people choose to spend their money on. I wouldnt spend my money on that kit. Don't get me wrong, i have bought and installed approximatly 8 lift kits of variuos vehicles that i've owned over the years. 6" lifts to 5"-7" drops. After studing what it took to lower the SS, I didnt see the need to buy a kit. I see the kit prices ranging from $365.00 to $399.00 plus installation, plus alignment. I have $45.00 plus cost of aligment in the method I chose. I'll wait until Edelbrock completes their testing on their shock for the SS. Then i will start comparing shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m396 #00-011 Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 OK, here I go starting trouble. I don't understand what all the hoopla is about the GF lowering kit. The only thing the kit provides, that those of us who didn't use it, is shocks and keys. 1. Unless I'm wrong, the only thing the keys do is reindex the position where the adjusting bolt comes in contact with it. Both methods unload the torsion bars equally. Those of us without them have more bolt sticking out below the cross member than those that do. 2. We cut our bump stops, the kit came with them. I can't see any difference that would have. If you bottom out the suspension on the stops I think we both would have the same results. 3. Both methods replace the rear shackles. 4. Personally I haven't had any driveline vibrations since I've lowered mine. If I did i would have the drive shaft rebalanced before I would start shimming. a 2" drop should not affect the driveline angle enough to create a vibration. 5. The method I chose was easily done in an hour. Saving the expense of have a mechanic do it. 6. Both methods require a complete wheel alignment when done. I guess it's a matter of what people choose to spend their money on. I wouldnt spend my money on that kit. Don't get me wrong, i have bought and installed approximatly 8 lift kits of variuos vehicles that i've owned over the years. 6" lifts to 5"-7" drops. After studing what it took to lower the SS, I didnt see the need to buy a kit. I see the kit prices ranging from $365.00 to $399.00 plus installation, plus alignment. I have $45.00 plus cost of aligment in the method I chose. I'll wait until Edelbrock completes their testing on their shock for the SS. Then i will start comparing shocks. Amen brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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